Why didn't the Jedis free Shmi Skywalker?

Anakin · #1 (**permalink**) 05-22-2008, 08:32 PM

Why didn't the Jedis free Shmi Skywalker?
I mean, she was the mother of the Choosen one, and they could sence that he was very attached ho her. All right, they wanted him to learn to let go, but if they did it on purpose, than they played with the life of to people, and forced a son not feel love to his mother... a horrible thing to do, and I cant belive they would do such a thing.. If they did, then they are as bad as Sith.. (siriously).

Or the Republic. Anakin was a great hero... he was a close frend to the senator.. Why did noone bother to free her. Shure, palpatine wanted her to be ensaved, fo feed Anakins rage, but the other, good senator (there were some) could have suggested it. Palpatine would have been unable to say anything, since his immage as an old wise, friendly man would have been brocken.

Or Padme. She was rich, powerfull, and Anakin saved her life. He was important enough for her to remember.. (she recognised him in a second) and obviously atracted to him. She didnt wanted him to suffer for shure.

And at last Anakin himself. I know, the Jedi wanted him to "let go", and since his love and fear of losing her almost declined his acceptance in the first place, he propably didnt mechend it often, but she still was his mother.
He did a lot of thing that were not aproved by Obi Wan, he could have secreatly rescued her...

Or even bether Obi Wan. He loved Anakin. He saw how he suffered from the loss. Its not like he (Anakin) wanted to do somthing bad, he wanted to save him mother. The most normal thing. I actualy would have hated Anakin if it were otherwise.

They saved tonnes of peopel, but not the mother of the Choosen One..

Is there an explenation for this, or is it just realy bad script writing... But I dont really think so, since she was metioned in ep. 2 and 3, and was so important. She was neiter forgotten, nor ignored. so There must be an explenation.
I am new, so srry if it is a very commen Question. I used the search function, but couldnt find anything.
I would love an anser. Thanks in advance.

Greetz

Rogue Jedi · #2 (**permalink**) 05-23-2008, 05:10 PM

Firstly, the Jedi don't have such attachments to others, like "mother" or "father." So, her being the mother of the 'Chosen One' doesn't really help her out much. Secondly, during that time, the ability of the Jedi to use the Force had been diminished- they probably could not detect her peril, as she wasn't too strongly tied to the Force.

All this plays into the plot as well. Shmi Skywalker was the main catalyst for Anakin's fall. When we first meet Annie, he is a small child, afraid of loosing his mother. Yoda senses this, and gives young Skywalker his first taste of Jedi rejection. Later, in Ep II, her death is the breaking point for Skywalker, causing him to go on a killing frenzy- he definitely didn't earn any Acts of Kindness awards on that particular escapade.

In Ep III, Palpatine referred to her briefly, as a means to re-assure Anakin that he, Palpatine, is someone that the troubled Skywalker can trust, confide in, and that he understands and accepts Anakin. Other than that, I don't recall any other references to Shmi Skywalker in Ep II or III.

Darth Cai · #3 (**permalink**) 05-23-2008, 06:46 PM

well the order was too concerened with galactic affairs to worry about a slave

Anakin and Obi Wan were training and Anakin always planned to go back im thinking but his training was to let his feelings for his mother fade

Padme hadnt seen Anakin since episode one

really no one was in place to free her. She was freed in the end, and she had a family of sorts before she was tortured to death by the Tuscans

Anakin · #4 (**permalink**) 05-25-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rogue Jedi

Firstly, the Jedi don't have such attachments to others, like "mother" or "father." So, her being the mother of the 'Chosen One' doesn't really help her out much. Secondly, during that time, the ability of the Jedi to use the Force had been diminished- they probably could not detect her peril, as she wasn't too strongly tied to the Force.

All this plays into the plot as well. Shmi Skywalker was the main catalyst for Anakin's fall. When we first meet Annie, he is a small child, afraid of loosing his mother. Yoda senses this, and gives young Skywalker his first taste of Jedi rejection. Later, in Ep II, her death is the breaking point for Skywalker, causing him to go on a killing frenzy- he definitely didn't earn any Acts of Kindness awards on that particular escapade.

In Ep III, Palpatine referred to her briefly, as a means to re-assure Anakin that he, Palpatine, is someone that the troubled Skywalker can trust, confide in, and that he understands and accepts Anakin. Other than that, I don't recall any other references to Shmi Skywalker in Ep II or III.

sry, but if they Jedis didnt even gave a f*** about the feelings of an other jedi, (not to mention that he was bit different), and dont even want to feel enough love for father/mother then they deserved to fall. Then they were even worse then the siths.

they were gra=eatly mistaken, dont forget, that Luke could only safe Vader and the Galay by his love.
And he got married.
Plus, Obi wan said "i Loved you" to anakin, hence love is not forbidden. Attachements are. But to free the mother of a fellow Jedi is really not a big thing.

Then it is just bad script...

Darth Cai · #5 (**permalink**) 05-25-2008, 07:49 PM

ooo theres a lot of points to touch on here.

Shmi was a slave but she was in good health. She seemed well taken care of for slave standards and accepted her place in life. There was no real reason for the Jedi to step in and free her.

You also got to think that the Jedi order was relatively small and were pretty much the peace keepers of the entire galaxy. The fate of a slave was insignificant compared to the going ons of the rest of the galaxy.

The jedis of the republic were trained to not feel attachments. There was a discussion between Yoda Mace and Obi Wan in the episode 3 novel discussing Anakin's attachments and how each of the jedi would sacrifice friends and even family if it would end the war except Anakin. That level of detachment was needed for the jedi (by their reasoning)

The jedi were wrong in this though, which leads me to believe that the destruction of the order was part of restoring the balance to the force. Luke's rebuilding of the Jedi order seemed to make it stronger.

Vesh Mare · #6 (**permalink**) 05-26-2008, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Cai

ooo theres a lot of points to touch on here.

Shmi was a slave but she was in good health. She seemed well taken care of for slave standards and accepted her place in life. There was no real reason for the Jedi to step in and free her.

You also got to think that the Jedi order was relatively small and were pretty much the peace keepers of the entire galaxy. The fate of a slave was insignificant compared to the going ons of the rest of the galaxy.

The jedis of the republic were trained to not feel attachments. There was a discussion between Yoda Mace and Obi Wan in the episode 3 novel discussing Anakin's attachments and how each of the jedi would sacrifice friends and even family if it would end the war except Anakin. That level of detachment was needed for the jedi (by their reasoning)

The jedi were wrong in this though, which leads me to believe that the destruction of the order was part of restoring the balance to the force. Luke's rebuilding of the Jedi order seemed to make it stronger.

I wouldnt say they were wrong in their decision to negate emotions. And Lukes new jedi order is plagued with darkness...the road to hell is paved with good intentions. maybe by letting go of "normality" such as emotions to other people is a way to see the big pictures that lower casts cant grasp.

Vesh Mare · #7 (**permalink**) 05-26-2008, 06:19 AM

umm...did WoW make a Jedi class?

Rogue Jedi · #8 (**permalink**) 05-26-2008, 06:42 AM

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They tend to sneak on when the staff is away. Should be cleaned up in a day or two.

Anakin · #9 (**permalink**) 05-29-2008, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vesh Mare

I wouldnt say they were wrong in their decision to negate emotions. And Lukes new jedi order is plagued with darkness...the road to hell is paved with good intentions. maybe by letting go of "normality" such as emotions to other people is a way to see the big pictures that lower casts cant grasp.

???
I really dont agree...
Love is never!! ever wrong.
Just for the record, it was not love, that drew Anakin to darkness (it was love that spared him so long, love to Obi Wan, Padme, etc.) it was his Lust for control. He wanted to control live. He thought he wanted to save her, but she said twice she didnt wanted it at that cost.

It was love, that saved the galaxy, the lve of Luke and the love of Vader to Padme, hence her Child.

Fellings are what makes us human, without them, we would be nothing but dust to come.
i recomend you to watch "Equilibrium", it deals with that quite good.

mvader056 · #10 (**permalink**) 10-12-2008, 01:09 PM

The Jedi usually separate the babies they take from the parents, so they'd have to treat Anakin the same. If his mother came, he would have been attached to her during his training, thus preventing him from following Jedi doctrine. They had no control on Tatooine anyway, so it wasn't their place to take her and leave. That wouldn't be the Jedi way.