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I seem to have noticed that in a couple of episodes during the clone wars series, Republic Attack Cruisers seem to have been getting pwnd by Banking Clan Frigates. I'm wondering how this is possible? The armameant for each is this:

Venator
DBY-827 heavy dual turbolaser turrets (eight)
Medium dual turbolaser cannons (2)
Turbolaser cannons
Point-defense laser cannons (52)
Tractor beam projectors (6)
Heavy proton torpedo tubes (4)
16 torpedoes each

Banking Clan Frigate
Prow heavy turbolaser cannons (2)
Long-range heavy ion cannons (2)
Twin turbolaser cannons (26)
Light turbolaser turrets (20)
Point-defense laser cannons (thirty eight)
Hyperwave jammer (1)

The following are the episodes I was talking about:
#13 "Jedi Crash"
#6 "Downfall Of A Droid"

Now the last I checked, Venators were classified as a warship or a capital ship. And Banking Clan Frigates are classified as light CIS warships,capital ships,and star frigates.
So, how can a frigate do that much damage to a warship? Especially when a venator is bigger.
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Because it'd be no fun to see the Republic consistently owning the CIS.
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That's a good point. However, don't you think its overly incorrect that a frigate can do that much damage to a warship?
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0kay, nice.
Venators really perform quite effectively against the the Confederate ships. Whether Banking Clan Munificent frigates or the General's Invisible Hand. The Venator was larger, though as you can see they are reasonably similarly armed. However, a few points set apart the Venator.

- The venator had a complement of under 2OO fighters. 2OO fighters, l repeat. That amount of fighters is more than an Imperial Star Destroyer seen decades later. That is 2½ times more, on a vessel 5OOm smaller......ln addition, it also can muster 4O LAAV gunships. The Munificent frigates possessed SEVERAL starfighters, hardly comparable. This is because the Confederacy had their HK Lucrehulks for fighter carriers.
- The venator continued on the Accalamator Class revolutionary wedge shaped design. This design allows for more effective deep space coverage and played angles, allowing more weapons to bear down on targets, than the confederate frigates.

The only answer l can give is this point: The Confederate capital ships simply outnumbered the Republic vessels. Even if just frigates, these frigates were over 8OOm long, easily able to hold their own with destroyers. Venator is not a true destroyer anyway. But if you are presented 3-to-1 or 4-to-1 odds, the outcomes should appear as so. 0therwise, the Venator has the markings of a superior vessel.
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What about shield power? I'm not sure between a Venator and a Municifent Frigate which one has higher grade shields. Although I did notice that Venators crumple rather easily when caught with their shields down.
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Truthfully, shields are a moot point on capital ships. This can be easily explained. However, if you want a short answer instead of the expanse below - Venators possessed heavier shield capacities.

Ships of this size are bristling with weapons, and especially in fleets weapons are immense in number. Shields simply draw excessive amounts of power when they are used at their fullest capacity, full potential shielding is also never run due to capital ships releasing fighters from hangar bays and turrets firing off missiles (which is impossible in tight shielding). Ships simply rely on weapons, as all modern warfare is usually conducted. Strong shielding and thicker armours are great to tack-on, but firepower generates victories in these battles.
For instance, in WWll changes were not quickly foreseen, and the end of the warship/battleship came to pass. The introduction of the destroyer/carrier combination came to light, as their overall firepower and utility were unachievable with other ships. Thicker armours and bigger cannons were passed over by supporting fighters which were agile and could drop destructive ordnance. Same goes with tanks. Though their armour and systems become increasing more complex, their firepower is always the mainstay of tank platoons. lt is better to punch through and hit, rather than sit around hoping to deflect hits. Imperial Star destroyers had huge deflector shield towers and thick hulls, but their true strength relied on intimidation, fleet presence, and ability to release swarms of fighters/bombers. Mon Calamari defensive shielding is a myth, created for comparisons in literature and advantages in video games. N0 CAPITAL SHIP C0MMANDER would sit around, order for all power to divert to shields, and hope to soak up barrages from enemies. Warfare does not work that way.
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That explains a lot to me now, because ive noticed that during most space battles within Star Wars, hardly anyone uses shields. The ONLY capital ship ive seen that does use shields would be the Lucrehulk Battleships. That, in its own right, ive never understood. Which is more valuable to the CIS: Lucrehulks or Municifent Frigates?
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The Trade Federation, The Banking Clans, and the Commerce Guild used numerous capital ships before the Clone Wars end. The Munificent and Presidente Frigates were by far the most common vessels, serving as destroyers. The Providence Destroyer (known as the Generals Invisible Hand) served as an intermediate carrier, making it rarer due to HK LucreHulks being more available and able in the role. Munificent frigates are for sure the most common, due to HKs larger size, cost, and need. (only a few droid console ships are required)
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